16 July 2011

Saturday Open Thread

It's the (barely) Saturday Open Thread.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Legalbrief quote :

" The NEW Property Rates Amendment Bill will compel those who own more than one home to pay commercial rates for their additional properties. In effect, anyone who has a holiday home or a dwelling occupied by tenants, would see their property rates bill double and would lose their rebate on that second property." unquote.

I don't see tenants absorbing the whole increase, perhaps 1/2 the landlord and 1/2 the tenant.

OR perhaps THIS will bring a flood of extra homes onto the market, thereby deflating prices hugely, thereby AT LAST allowing first time home buyers to find an AFFORDABLE primary residence.

There is an obscene case in Sea Point, of one person(through a trust), owning, and thus monopolizing, over 500 apartments.
What this means is that 499 families are forced to rent,as this person will not sell a flat except at an exhorbitant price.

This bill will level the playing field for first time buyers.
It will make it "financially unattractive" for property barons to hold onto all those properties.

My 2c worth.

CT Bubble said...

I would assume most landlords will try and pass on the costs in the form of increased rent.

However if they've signed a lease with an agreed upon escalation then they should be out of luck.

Anonymous said...

Landlords will simply increase rent. They will certainly try and do that before selling, so I doubt we will see a huge increase in stock on the market unless there already is a huge excess of rental properties out there. In my experience that's not really the case, so tenants will pay, resulting in the gap between renting and buying being reduced? That's the flip-side of the coin, it could make it "financially unattractive" for people to rent.

Anonymous said...

Does this bill only apply to natural persons or to other legal entities such as trusts?

I can bet you that Mr 500 Seapoint properties has the legal know how to skate around this while the average Joe will get screwed over.

Goldilocks said...

MUNICIPAL PROPERTY RATES AMENDMENT BILL

to provide for the Minster to make a
decision in terms of section 16(5) with the concurrence of the
Minister of Finance; to provide for the exclusion from rates of
certain categories of public service infrastructure as well as
mining rights or mining permits, excluding infrastructure above
the surface in respect of mining property; to provide that the
exclusion from rates in respect of land belonging to a land reform
beneficiary is extended to the spouse and dependants; to provide
that an exclusion from rates in respect of the seashore lapses if any part thereof is alienated;

to provide that a municipality may
not levy a rate on the first amount of the market value as
determined by the Minister with the concurrence of the Minister of
Finance of a residential property owned and occupie~ by a
recipient of an older persons grant or a disability grant;

to provide that a municipality may levy different rates on residential
property not used for the permitted purpose or not used for any
purpose; to provide that a municipality may levy different rates on
vacant property;

Anonymous said...

Could someone please translate the legalese above for the hoi palloi? I've read it a few times but as per all law documents I can't really make sense of what it's saying, am I missing another section i.e. 16(5)?

Anonymous said...

@Anon above sure, let me try:

If you are presently advantaged, have been given land for free by the gov or someone who aligns with the gov, is a mining mogul, or is old and can't work but does own land due to any reason above - you don;t pay rates. For everybody else, you pay double.

Steve said...

I'm a bit curious to how landlords are going to just 'pass on the cost' to the tenants.

Surely it goes into the cost of owning a buy-to-let, but like all free markets there is a price people are prepared to pay for a product.

Thus, if it ever does come through the lawmaking process, I see it increasing the cost of renting only slightly at first.

Goldilocks said...

Whats interesting is how the MOPE [Management of Perspective Economics] has backfired. The whole get rich quick in property mentality coupled with the constant talking up of the property market, which is actually clearly in a huge downturn, has set it in the governments desperate for more revenue sights.

As for passing on the cost to an already cash strapped consumer? Perhaps eventually over a number of years but not in the short term no. People dont just pay up, because they generally arent in the position to award themselves salary increases [hello real world]. They downsize, move in with parents, houseshare, default etc.

Perhaps this is the black swan that kicks the SA property market into the final leg of the classic bubble graph: the downward leg.

Anonymous said...

This might be the "black swan that kicks the SA property market into the final leg of the classic bubble graph: the downward leg", who knows?

But one thing we do know is that it will happen, and if this isn't it well then we wait for the Real Thing to appear

And appear it will - it is not "different here" in RSA